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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Autor</th> <th class="thCornerR">Nachricht</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 27. Feb 2006 13:33<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Jö schön <br /> <br />Ich freu mich <br /> <br />Danke</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 27. Feb 2006 13:20<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Stimmt! Gratuliere!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 27. Feb 2006 13:17<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">y"= yo x (2pi/T)² x (-sin(2pi/T x t))</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 23:53<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ja, das stimmt! <br /> <br />Jetzt kannst du dasselbe statt mit a, b und x mit den wirklichen Werten der Konstanten und mit der Variable t machen, und dann hast du den fertigen Ausdruck für die Beschleunigung!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 19:36<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">y"= a x b²(- sinbx)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:53<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Gar nicht schlecht! <br /> <br />Da hast du nur vergessen, dass in dem Ausdruck für die erste Ableitung y' schon ein Faktor b vornedran stand. <br /> <br />Jetzt nach nochmal ableiten muss da vorne mehr stehen als a*b. <br />(Denk nochmal an die innere Ableitung!)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:47<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">y"= a x b(- sinbx)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:36<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ja, das stimmt.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:34<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">ja mach ich gleich mal <br /> <br />mich drückt da noch was anderes <br /> <br />ich habe 110km/h <br /> <br />sind das dann 110 000m/3600s ????</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:31<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T x t)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Gratuliere! Das stimmt! <br /> <br />Jetzt hast du die Geschwindigkeit v(t) durch ableiten ausgerechnet und weißt, dass <br /> <br />v(t) = y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T x t) <br /> <br />Magst du nun das, was du gelernt hast, nochmal anwenden und die Beschleunigung ausrechnen, indem du das noch ein weiteres mal ableitest?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:29<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T x t) <br /> <br />stimmt das jetzt so, ich kenn mich bald nicht mehr aus</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:28<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">[quote="Anita"]y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T x t)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:27<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Wieder fast! <br /> <br />Jetzt hast du das t überall rausgenommen, auch dort, wo es noch drinstehen muss! <br /> <br />Noch ein Versuch?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>schnudl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:25<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Naja, da ich dem markus nicht ins Handwerk pfuschen möchte, musst du das selbst rausfinden. Aber so stimmt das nicht ! <br /> <br />Die Zeit t entspricht dem x. <br /> <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?2\pi/T"> entspricht b <br /> <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?y_0"> entspricht a <br /> <br /><img src="images/smiles/balloon.gif" alt="smile" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Nachtrag: jetzt stimmts also (fast) !</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:25<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">y´(t) = yo x (2pi/T) x cos(2pi/T)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:23<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Fast richtig! <br /> <br />Jetzt hast du nur noch vergessen, dass das t nicht mit in der Konstante b drinsteht! <br /> <br />Wie sieht das ganze aus, wenn du diesen Fehler noch korrigierst?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:20<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">f´(x) = a *b* cos(b*x) <br /> <br />Wenn du jetzt weißt, dass im ursprünglichen Problem die Variable nicht x, sondern t heißt, <br />und wenn du statt den Konstanten a und b die Konstanten verwendest, die da stehen, was bekommst du dann für die Ableitung von der ursprünglichen Funktion?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />y´(t) = yo x (2pi x t/T) x cos(2pi x t/T x t)[/quote]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:18<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">f´(x) = a *b* cos(b*x) <br /> <br />Wenn du jetzt weißt, dass im ursprünglichen Problem die Variable nicht x, sondern t heißt, <br />und wenn du statt den Konstanten a und b die Konstanten verwendest, die da stehen, was bekommst du dann für die Ableitung von der ursprünglichen Funktion?[/quote] <br /> <br />y´(t) = yo x (2pi x t/T) x cos x (2pi x t/T x t)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:17<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: Re: harmonische Schwingung</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ein Tipp zum rechnen: <br /> <br />Das zwischen dem Sin und der Klammer des Sinus ist kein Malzeichen, sondern das, was in der Klammer des Sinus steht, ist das Argument des Sinus. <br /> <br />Also sprich: <br /> <br />y = yo * sin((2pi/T) * t) <br /> <br />"ypsilon gleich ypsilonnull mal sinus von zwei Pi durch T mal t"</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>schnudl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:17<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Hääää</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />vergiss was ich geschrieben habe... <br /> <br />du verwendest das x nach ab wohl als "multiplikation": <br />f´(x) = ab <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: red">x</span></span> sinb²x <br /> <br />deshalb war ich verwirrt. Aber trotzdem denke ich dass was noch nicht stimmt.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:13<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hääää</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:12<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />f´(x) = ab x sinb²x</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Hoppla, nein, da sind Umformungsfehler drin! Den Faktor b kannst du einfach statt hinter den cosinus vor den Cosinus schreiben. <br /> <br />Wenn du das b vor dem x in der Klammer nicht vergisst und die Faktoren a und b übersichtlich vor den Cosinus schreibst, dann sieht das so aus: <br /> <br />f´(x) = a *b* cos(b*x) <br /> <br />Wenn du jetzt weißt, dass im ursprünglichen Problem die Variable nicht x, sondern t heißt, <br />und wenn du statt den Konstanten a und b die Konstanten verwendest, die da stehen, was bekommst du dann für die Ableitung von der ursprünglichen Funktion?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>schnudl</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:11<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Vorsicht: <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Zitat:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">f´(x) = a x cos(x) x b</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Die Ableitung von <br /> <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?f(x) = a \sin (bx)"> <br /> <br />ist <br /> <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?f'(x) = ab \cdot \cos (bx)"> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Edit: Sorry: ich dachte das mal ist bei dir ein x <img src="images/smiles/balloon.gif" alt="smile" border="0" /></span></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:03<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">f'(x) =( a * sin(b*x) ) * ( b ) <br /> <br />f´(x) = ab x sinb²x</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>as_string</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:02<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Und jetzt noch das b in die Klammer vom Kosinus! Dann sieht's schon mal ganz gut aus! <br /> <br />Wie geht das jetzt aber mit t und 2pi/T und so? Bekommst Du das schon hin? <br /> <br />Gruß <br />Marco</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 18:00<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">f´(x) = a x cos(x) x b <br /> <br />so jetzt richtig</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:59<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Stimmt. <br /> <br />Jetzt kennen wir die äußere Ableitung, <br />wir wissen also, dass die Ableitung von <br />f(x) = a*sin(x) <br />f'(x) = a*cos(x) ist. <br /> <br />Und wir kennen die innere Ableitung, <br />wir wissen also, dass die Ableitung von <br />f(x) = b*x <br />f'(x) = b ist. <br /> <br />----------------------- <br /> <br />Jetzt zum gesamten Ausdruck: <br />f(x) = a*sin(b*x) <br /> <br />Weil jetzt in der Klammer vom Sinus nicht x, sondern b*x steht, musst du beim Berechnen der Ableitung zusätzlich mit der inneren Ableitung multiplizieren, also: <br /> <br />gesamte Ableitung = (äußere Ableitung) * (innere Ableitung), <br /> <br />also <br /> <br />f'(x) =( a * sin(b*x) ) * ( b ) <br /> <br />Was ist also dieses f'(x), wenn du es zuende ausrechnest?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>as_string</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:58<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">das sieht ja schon mal viel besser aus <br />allerdings nicht "f(x) =" schreiben, wenn Du die Ableitung meinst, sondern "f'(x) =" <br />Und jetzt noch das ganze mit der inneren Ableitung multiplizieren. <br /> <br />Gruß <br />Marco</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:53<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Tschuldige: <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">f(x) = a x cos(x)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:52<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">f(x) = b x cos(x)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:51<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Fast. Und was steht nach wie vor in der Klammer von dem Cosinus?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:49<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Also ist die Ableitung von f(x) = b*x nach x : <br /> <br />f'(x) = b. <br /> <br />Was ist die Ableitung von <br /> <br />f(x) = a * sin(x) <br /> <br />f(x) = a x cos</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>as_string</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:48<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">ok, und jetzt: <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?f(t) = \frac{2\pi}{T} t"> <br />wobei die 2pi/T genau so konstant sind wie das b von dermarkus. <br /> <br />Gruß <br />Marco</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:47<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Uups, dann hast du noch nicht verstanden, was wir mit diesen Worten meinen. <br /> <br />Wenn ich f(x) = b* x nach x ableite, <br /> <br />dann heißt das, x ist die Variable, und alles andere ist konstant. <br /> <br />Also ist die Ableitung von f(x) = b*x nach x : <br /> <br />f'(x) = b. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Nächste Frage: <br /> <br />Was ist die Ableitung von <br /> <br />f(x) = a * sin(x) <br /> <br />wenn du nach x ableitest?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:43<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">[quote="dermarkus"]dann leite einfach mal die Funktion <br /> <br />f(x) = b*x <br /> <br />f(x)=x</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:40<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">dann leite einfach mal die Funktion <br /> <br />f(x) = b*x <br /> <br />nach x ab. Was bekommst du da raus?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:35<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">keine Ahnung</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>as_string</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:29<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">nee, leider nicht <img src="images/smiles/frown2.gif" alt="unglücklich" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Also: y0 ist eine Konstante und die Ableitung von Sinus ist Kosinus, nicht minus Kosinus. Und dann stimmt das auch mit der inneren Ableitung leider noch nicht... <br />Mache erstmal die innere Ableitung, leite also einfach mal die Funktion: <br /><img class="latex2png" src="https://www.matheboard.de/latex2png/latex2png.php?f(t) = 2\pi\frac{t}{T}"> <br />nach t ab. Was bekommst Du da raus? <br /> <br />Gruß <br />Marco</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anita</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:21<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: Re: harmonische Schwingung</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">[quote="dermarkus"]</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Berechne aus der Gleichung für die harmonische Schwingung durch Differenzieren die Geschwindigkeit und die Beschleunigung. <br /> <br />y = yo x sin x (2pi x t/T)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Kannst du die Funktion <br /> <br />f(x) = a * sin(b*x) <br /> <br />y = 0 x (-cos) x t/T <br /> <br />Stimmt das so???</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dermarkus</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="95%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Beitrag" title="Beitrag" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Verfasst am: 26. Feb 2006 17:17<span class="gen"> </span> Titel: Re: harmonische Schwingung</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Anita hat Folgendes geschrieben:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Berechne aus der Gleichung für die harmonische Schwingung durch Differenzieren die Geschwindigkeit und die Beschleunigung. <br /> <br />y = yo x sin x (2pi x t/T)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Kannst du die Funktion <br /> <br />f(x) = a * sin(b*x) <br /> <br />ableiten? (Wenn ja, mach das mal!) <br /> <br />Das ist nämlich genau dasselbe, nur dass die Variable x hier t heißt, <br />und die Konstanten a=yo und b = 2 pi /T sind.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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